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Posted by Tech@EPR on June 12, 2012 at 2:09 AM
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In Reply To >>> posted by ztunerz on June 11, 2012 at 10:54 AM
     
Message Never said you are wrong technically, never said you are my enemy, that is just silly. Putting your money where your mouth does not have to do with your builds etc. I was speaking of lack of detail in your posts. Quite simply i was saying this...
Instead of saying saggy springs, why not say "stock springs lose tension over time / duty cycles, i have tested x number and this is what i found. i have seen y amount of improvement with stiffer springs etc etc" That is information that helps people with real data. You as an engine builder has that information so share it. Its not going to lose you anything. It sounds far better than " saggy springs" and " crisp rpm" GET IT ?

I could say the same for you Harry. You make generalized comments on technical statements in reply to some ppl and I simply just read and move. Do I get all pissy? No...cause it doesn't affect me. yet you just can't seem to hold your tongue. Or maybe its the fact that we know the information and just can't simply put what we want to say down on paper/keyboard correctly and we say whats on our mind. Ever think about that?

Fact is i know you understand exactly what i am saying but chose to redirect the conversation elsewhere.

I know exactly what you are saying and know how to explain things but like anything else..sometimes explainations are bit more difficult to spit out on the fly or explain easily enough and detailed enough ppl understand them. I can go into engine theory and a large percentage would have no clue what I'm talking about and maybe even you but I don't feel like going down that road because it gets grossly technical when it comes down to machining and detail work on building a race engine. Then again maybe you do understand it all but the point is, not every one can write down how they feel correctly all the time and for that matter one should not judge or comment on those that do so. Its a respect issue ultimately of which I feel you've done to me.

As for Charles Beason, i never brought that up. Its not my place to do so. He asked me questions and i answered him directly based on information he provided, i do not know who is right or wrong. I did not look at the motor and i do not have direct reference so i stayed out of it because that would be the right thing to do. He quoted something you said, i told him i diasagreed. Please notice that i am not going into details in order to protect you since ALOT was said...

Based on what Charles said to me of what you stated you had a few choice words and accusations that were fed to him which resulted in him having more of a negative attitude towards me up until the point to where he got tuned at Ashs shop where Ash and Nick explained to him that the engine I built for him made the most power they've ever produced on a set of 2530s.

As far as Jay is concerned, you put together a product, supposedly the best stuff out there, shipped it to him ( i assume the right way) and it still showed up scratched up. I would assume if your coatings are durable they should have withstood shipping atleast ? Didn't you send it all wrapped up and stuff ? If the coating can't take that how will it take day to day abuse ? I believe you also offered Jay some services for free then took back the offer. Not a nice or ethical thing to do. Now you want to pull your name from his project which is silly and childish IMO.

Coatings are not impervious to physical damage. Its just like anything else. Any form of treatment of any kind can be damaged from physical stress/damage. The coatings I use are of the best you can buy as a licensed applicator. I've had ZERO issues with my coatings to date. The only time I can think of that someone complained was Charles regarding the exhaust coatings but he didn't cure them properly but I told him I would recoat for free and ship back...he never took advantage of that offer. I absolutely hold true to my service and will help anyone who has an issue with my coatings. Hands down if it doesn't work I'll fix it. You of all ppl should know this. Everyday abuse is with the part on the engine fastend down not moving and having other parts come in contact with it. C'mon man...look at what you are typing here. Use some sense. I offered free engine internal coatings for Jay. He said he wanted me to build him an engine and I would for a SUBSTANTIALLY reduced price with A LOT of perks added in that were no additional cost. If I were to fully sponsor him I'd of expected the car to be at my shop so I can do all the work as any normal sponsorship for a race car would be under. You decided to step up based on yours and Jays common condition which was fine. But I explained to Jay that after your last smartass comment you made on here I wanted nothing to do with his project if it was affiliated with you because frankly if a common area of focus is to be implimented and two parties have issues..it will never work so I politely told him to remove me and you two can further the build as it stands. But lets not forget that Jay purchased all his IC/piping and such from Ash at a subsidized price as well so I don't see where the big issue is. Jay and I spoke about possible things I would do for him for free (willing) and some things were to be charged. I can't help if communication is missing between Jay to you. I know what I offered and what I was giving him.

As far as your AMZ days, yes i am refering to a customer that was severly mistreated by your company who is a good friend of mine. Yes it is 8 + years ago and atleast you are agreeing you made a mistakes back then. Fair enough...

again, my past is done and over with. Get over it. I know the issues that arose and I've paid my dues several times over so I don't like ppl trying to latch on and keep picking at a wound that is extremely old.


If i recall, i had issue with you making claims about oil pump porting and how its "better" . It most likely is but you have NEVER it today backed it up with actual flow numbers or any quantifiable data. To me that is just sales talk and i simply called upon you to provide the details.

for me to get imperical data for the likes of you or anyone else its going to take a few grand to actually get a detailed data log of information. Im totaly on board for getting this stuff done but I certainly don't have a money tree in my back yard. But interestingly enough nearly all other engine platforms that are in the domestic realm do this very mod and yet I'm the first to offer it and while some claims I'll admit were spoke prematurely they most certainly are not held in suspicion of being a "hoax" or "snake oil" like you like to label my services/products under.

Another issue i had with you was your about the AMS manifold deal on FB. I disagree with the fact that you make money off "fixing AMS parts". You countered by saying that the customer already had them and that you would lose money on the project. You and i both know that the AMS manifolds flow about the same as MSP and there are only minor things that need "fixing". The Difference is in how they were conceived. Personally i would rather lose money than make money of anything to do with AMS. I guess it simply has to do with our thought processes. I can't hold you morally responsible for that. As i stated its YOUR call however its amusing when you run around with a torch wanting to burn all AMS stuff on FB when infact you make money off their unethical behaviour. It simply does not compute for me.


EP Racing is a business, if you are going to run your business with feelings of moral code based on your personal endeavors you will get no where. I have to do what I do to make my assemblies perform. I don't offer services for parts only. If a customer contracts me to build an engine I have to perform that service to the best of my ability and for that I must offer things that will make my assemblies that absolute best anyone can offer. That is my view on this and will not deviate from that. You can turn down a $10K build or even a $20K build if you like but in the end...its the customers decision in what he/she wants to run. If you make the calls on what they want/need to run you will find yourself with less and less customer base in regards to building race engines. I can only offer and suggest so much and if my customer is compitent enough to listen to what I have to say and take heed then my efforts have not gone wasted..but I certainly am not going to bail on a build just because he used a part I don't agree with. Thats a line that I think you should really think more about. After all, its your work, experience, suggestions they pay for. If you give them that and they still decide to do what they want...you can only save face and make them aware and sign a consent explaining what you've explained and suggested. From there you are free and clear.


BTW don't feel so special, its not just you i pick on. If i see silly claims like the guy claiming "500 + whp on stock turbos on E85 on 300zx club" I call them on it. it is fairly obvious that the dyno was screwed with. I asked for more details which were not forthcoming (no surprise). I have questioned anyone or any claim that did not make sense. At times i have been schooled and learned from it. Keep in mind, NOONE knows everything. In fact there is a LOT we can learn even about the stuff we think we know everything about. To me the purpose of these boards is to learn and diseminate valuable information. Its not just an advertising board.I have learned a lot from this forum over the years and i am protective about it.

Why do i pick on you per se ? I don't know. I Maybe i should not bother because they are many such things happening all around us and i really have no right to inflict my opinions on you. I am not really an agressive kind of guy, just easily annoyed. Please accept this as a convoluted apology of sorts. Carry on.

Harry

I think if you approach and comment on things individuals say on an even playing field or better yet email/PM them to discuss rather than verbally confront/attack them with snide remarks you'll see a completely different side to them and will get to know who they are and what they really know. Its all about people skills...hell I still am learning them but I most certainly do not like having these arguements on the forums. Its counter productive and drains me but if I don't come on here to reply many will read and make their own conclusions about an individual based on what others say. So its a double edged sword.


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